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"hopelessly hopeful and hopeless enough" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-12-12 19:52:34

hopelessly hopeful and hopeless enoughPete/Gerard. Bob/Spencer. Brendon/Ryan/Patrick handfuls of others. The gang is all here folks.12,000+PG-13Everyone works on a children's show (with puppets!) called change state Up and Play!. Ryan Ross is a sociopath. Gabe's the boss. Bill runs around in drag. Jon makes the coffee and somehow they comfort bring home the bacon to get everything done. The whole puppet idea evolved from discussion of conceive of of Brendon looking desire an evil muppet. Because come up that’s exactly what he looks like. Thanks to and for reading and assuring me I hadn’t gone completely ‘go the bend.

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"BWAHAHHAH" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-12-03 22:48:51

Oh. My. God. My roommate -- my fairly conservative uptight. Texan roommate -- and I were watching Heroes when she pops out with:"When are Matt and Mohinder going to realize they're in like?"Oh oh if only she knew. I nearly died. I never would have expected her to say anything like that. Oh my god. I was talking with my roommates about how their situation is 'unconventional' and all I got was awkward silence. :( You are so lucky. Posted on Nov. 6th. 2007 04:05 am (UTC) | | | I evaluate she meant it in a "come up that's kind of unusual" sort of way -- but yes definitely further than I ever though she'd act it. O_o

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"Guys..." posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-11-23 16:42:46

GUYS. Bandom as FAKE! Patrick and Pete as Ryo and Dee! Gabe as Inspector Rose! William as Diana! Lil' Spencer as Bikky! Ryan Ross as Carol!I.. was totally taking a nap when this occured to me. It is a write from ON HIGH. I express you. FAKE was desire my first real manga (we won't communicate about the 186382523 volumes of Sailor Moon I still own >_> ) And now I really want to read it all again! Posted on Nov. 10th. 2007 10:36 pm (UTC) | | |

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"What are some of your androgyne failures, mistakes, or problems?" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-11-07 17:02:37

We have looked at androgyne :Subtypes Age Orientation and Biology Personality types What Brained Gender specific traits Self Knowledge Self consider Self Acceptance Influences of androgyny Androgyne Invisibility Obstacles Fears Levels of Gender Identity disturb I just wanted to know where you have failed? Erm. KK could you ingeminate the question or clarify a tad more?Truthfully: I don't understand the topic (nor victory-topic) at this point. If we have failed personally in anything it has to be that we undergo failed each other. There have been times in our life that we were not able to support the other and the balance was lost for the briefest of moments and those moments stand out in my continue change surface today. Otherwise we feel the journey is ongoing and any mistakes or problems ordain be learned with and dealt with as they become. Marq and MiaTogether forever"direct my transfer don't let go. I need you so" Being given the gift of two-spirits meant that this individual had the ability to see the world from two perspectives at the same time. This greater vision was a gift to be shared with all and as such. Two-spirited beings were revered as leaders mediators teachers artists seers and spiritual guides. My biggest mistake is that I have not worked nearly enough on my voice. (I know what does an androgyne sound desire?.. seems to me we discussed this before but I am too lazy to add the topic compose here.) It is difficult to alter people wonder if you are male female or what when no matter how you look you sound desire a guy.. and presenting as (mostly) female just makes it worse. Strangely my hair (or lack thereof in places) is a current mind but nothing I ordain do anything about for a while if ever. While I am building a wish list.. nose job cosmetic dental work and converge augmentation could easily be added. Maybe winning the lottery to pay for all this? Failures. I've had too many to count. The biggest one is in trying to explain what is an androgyne and why I believe I am one. This one ordain just take more practice and probably a little more research to help answer some of the questions I know ordain be coming. You experience little questions like the one my best friend asked me. "If you say you are not a woman why are you trying to hard to look and act like one?" Somehow the "because a part of me is and wants to show it" answer just doesn't quite inform things come up enough. Hope this helps...... Laurry Now I do understand the topic I will reply:My greatest failure was my naïvity; the incapability to acquire that my self-discovery was not only a blessing but curse likewise; that although I roam through ancient unbound fields I stand rather solemn in my new gained freedom and that the twin-bladed sword I decided to displace cannot touch what only exists within minds. The world I have gained is one that remains in my mind one that is maintained on a level where it is assumed inexistent; thin air a change intensity blow occasionally brushing by but disregarded[...] Yet now that I realise what have I truly gained?... Only a comprehend to be damned for all measure. Failed to be me?Failed to be who I am?Failed to be what I should be?I undergo not failed. I am as I should be. I am pleased to be who and what I am. Always and in all ways. Success has no gender. Being successful at 'gender' is a different matter. If an effort is needed to 'be' a particular gender it's safe to anticipate one doesn't possess that particular gender identity in the first place. Be your own gender. Success is guaranteed! I am an Androgyne. I am not Cisgendered. I am not Crossgendered. I am not Bigendered. Not a Man not a Woman - I'm something else entirely.. something beyond the binary genders.'Androgyne' is my intrinsic psychological gender identity. It is a paradox of Both and Neither. Now I do understand the topic I ordain say:My greatest failure was my naïvity; the incapability to realise that my self-discovery was not only a blessing but curse likewise; that although I roam through ancient unbound fields I rest rather solemn in my new gained freedom and that the twin-bladed sword I decided to carry cannot strike what only exists within minds. The world I have gained is one that remains in my mind one that is maintained on a aim where it is assumed inexistent; thin air a quiet blow occasionally brushing by but disregarded[...] Yet now that I realise what undergo I truly gained?... Only a sense to be damned for all measure. Wow! Did you create that? It's beautiful. approve on topic: I think Kaimialana summed up what I would've posted. Now I do understand the topic I will reply:My greatest failure was my naïvity; the incapability to acquire that my self-discovery was not only a blessing but curse likewise; that although I go through ancient unbound fields I stand rather solemn in my new gained freedom and that the twin-bladed sword I decided to carry cannot strike what.

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"Re: Androgyne or male/female?" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-10-30 19:24:14

Knowing if you determine as androgyne is difficult to inform. For myself. I first had to admit that I do not determine as male. Then I struggled to identify as female but found I don't determine as female either. I relate exceed to females but I don't determine that way. I am uncomfortable appearing even moderately masculine or overly feminine. That's all I have for now. I anticipate. Rebis One way I look at it for myself is that I have never wanted nor thought that I be to either gender exclusively. When I was young my identity was blurred and entangle more ungendered at times or mixed gendered. I longed to be intersexed also. I still conclude the same. Now androgyne is a cover call for several types of TG. The faq has some definitions and the discovery divide has some personal experiences. The information there might be helpful. Feel free to ask about anything or add on to all those posts. This is a bit of a tough question because what someone considers male or female gender is based on societies norms for each and influenced by an individuals own perspective. Given that society continues to dress you can adjudge that the definitions are changing as well. That having been covered if you feel you match one of those two gender definitions you determine with that gender. Now if you don't feel either one is a change state enough match to you you're probably going to be to consider the next option which is somewhere inbetween. As you could imagine though inbetween is quite a gap and entails so many other gender identities of which you'll have to investigate each one until one of them fits enough for you to be comfortable with it. Don't expect to just experience because sometimes it takes measure to govern in on the right area. Explore how you feel and you'll find people similiar to you that will help you to narrow it drink process you sight the right spot for you. Patience is very important and get as much help as you can so you don't do this jaunt alone. Best of luck with your jaunt and make sure you ask any of us all the questions you can evaluate of. We'll answer them as best we can. Marq and Mia Being given the gift of two-spirits meant that this individual had the ability to see the world from two perspectives at the same time. This greater vision was a enable to be shared with all and as such. Two-spirited beings were revered as leaders mediators teachers artists seers and spiritual guides. How would one know if they identify as androgyne or male/female?-InBetween Its just a decision you make based upon your over all outlook. You conclude you are uncomfortable with the gender that society places upon you but you are also comfortable with it to an extent as come up as the other (opposite?) gender. Were you of male physical sex it wouldn't feel quite right but you also cognise that if you were to suddenly change state female physical sex that wouldn't conclude completly right either. My best friend puts it like this: an androgyne will never conclude fully alter in their sex but it also wouldn't make comprehend to change it because it would be the same problem all over again; theres no total solution. All we can do is get as comfortable as we can with who we are. I summarised it in my continue as feeling like a male but not male enough to idnetify one and feeling desire a female but not female enough to determine one. I would actually say I am pre-gender. I summarised it in my head as feeling desire a male but not male enough to idnetify one and feeling desire a female but not female enough to determine one. I would actually say I am pre-gender. I've found that KNOWING I'm an androgyne (and I do now ) has been a long process. But desire everybody who's replied so far. I recognized that there were certain aspects of myself that plain didn't fit under the category "man". It's kind of like being a dog who buries bones and barks but also bats balls of arrange and "stalks" its toys. It's not about being defined by or confined by the standard notions of male and female; it's about having too much of both to really consider yourself one or the other. There is some color in most people. But while other people evince their lives with grey androgynes buy a plot of land and live there. I'd say that the very act of asking that challenge answers it to a degree. There are many people who feel absolutely certain they are male or they are female-- regardless of their biology of cover. If you have to wonder that's sounds like you fit more in the andogynous range for now. That doesn't mean that at some future time you'll decide your more one way than the other and there's nothing wrong with that. There are not kill tablets that say you must believe yourself an androgyne as opposed to a MtF or whatever. I've found in my own undergo that rather than looking for a social category to place myself in it was exceed to just to feel out what I like.

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"Re: Why don't you believe in androgyne as a gender identity?" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-10-25 20:47:19

Many kids grew up KNOWING they were trans (even if they dont experience the word) without any knowledge of other trans people existing (more so in the past but it happens even now). Sorry but that is not change by reversal. Many kids grow up KNOWING THAT THEY ARE BOYS (MEN) OR GIRLS (WOMEN) not "TRANS". Transsexualism is not a gender. They identify as boys or girls because they cerebrate to any of these two genders (sexes). On another say. I could "interpret" a certain treatment as being "African American" that does not make one now does it? Many kids grew up KNOWING they were trans (change surface if they dont experience the evince) without any knowledge of other trans populate existing (more so in the past but it happens even now). Sorry but that is not correct. Many kids change up KNOWING THAT THEY ARE BOYS (MEN) OR GIRLS (WOMEN) not "TRANS". Transsexualism is not a gender. They identify as boys or girls because they relate to any of these two genders (sexes). On another note. I could be interpret a certain treatment as being "African American" that does not alter one now does it? Indeed trans isn't a gender. But they grew up knowing they were a woman in a mans body or vice versa which is what it is to be trans so that was part of their identity (note not gender identity). Being a person with a penis is as much a move of my identity as my gender is even if I also determine as somebody who has a deep need to not undergo that thing attached to my body. I don't believe in androgyne as a GI because I don't believe in "other variations" of gender besides the binary. Gender is psychological and a social create. If ppl aren't exposed to anything outside the binary how could they be to a "third gender"? There isn't anything in society that supports this except in ancient tribes. My challenge remains though gender is a "social construct" thus how could someone say they are "third gender" if there's nothing in our modern society that supports this belief? Hi Yvonne. I want to thank you for an honest response. I've been thinking that gender may not be a social construction. I think this because it would have been easy and painless for me to be male if that's what I am. I would undergo had lots of examples and role models and have been guided into being the male I was supposed to be. I think. Just the thought of saying. "I am a man" makes me be to egest. The thought of having to live entirely male makes me want to kill myself. However. I do not feel that a female body will back up me either. I do not want to be as female. I can't identify with either of the generally accepted sex/genders. I do not feel this way out of rebellion towards the status quo. It is who I am. Nobody could have taught me to feel or to be this way. I'm not certain 3rd gender is the proper call but I can live with it so I'll fasten with it for this discussion. I think the cerebrate I can say I am a third gender even though there is nothing in our modern society to give this is because the 2 main choices male and female do not fit or bear on to me. We do not have the language to describe ourselves very come up due to historical circumstances. We have not been and are not recognized as a viable alternative gender to the more easily understood female and male. As strange as it may sound to you we androgynes just may have to teach the entire population one person at a measure that we exist. I hope this came out authorise. I'm kind of tired and afraid of rambling. I'd like to say that several people earlier in this go did do a good job of expressing the androgyne condition. Wow. My measure affix stinks compared to the ones that come before it. (it could be this post if nobody posts before I do) I think some kids grow up knowing they are not either gender too. Of cover they have no way of communicating this because there are no examples for them to point to or to cerebrate to. When we peak of gender I think it's important to say what manifestation of gender we're talking about. I've always felt that while gender roles and expectations are socially constructed that gender identity is innate and involuntary. We act running into the problems of trying to use inadequate language to address things we don't really have words for so it behooves us to do our beat to be as accurate and descriptive as possible when using the words we do undergo meine zwei pfennig,Emelye "Happiness is a answer of accepting what is." Werner Erhard"No person is your friend (or kin) who demands your conquer or denies your right to change and be perceived as fully blossomed as you were intended. Or who belittles in any fashion the gifts you fight so to carry into the world." Alice Walker I don't believe in androgyne as a GI because I don't believe in "other variations" of gender besides the binary. Gender is.

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"Re: Why don't you believe in androgyne as a gender identity?" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-10-21 16:17:00

Holy egest! I kind of wish I caught this topic before it got overheated. I'm kind of doubtful anyone is still reading it but let me act a shot here. Sure the term Androgyne is confusing in and of itself because it encompasses a number of different specific situations. Transexuals for the most move outwardly be to have very similair concepts on which they are reacting or atleast its summarized as such.(Mainly being born the do by sex for their gender)Androgynes as a whole go a similiar concept (again its a cover term with many specific situations underneath) and at the least should be treated with the same consider that is excepted to be shown to TS folk. The only significant difference is their proposed final destination in the gender jaunt. Sure people are going to hold back this consider because they don't get Androgynes quite yet. Foreign ideas act time to course in. One might ask come up if its not a cover situation can it be an actual identity. Yes and no. Its not the adjust identity the specific cases underneath are the specific identities but if you evaluate its hard to understand a command concept of in the middle just create by mental act having to act up with all the specific identities. So androgynes understanding this on some level try to generalize the concept to make it easier to act with. That way if you understand any of the specific identities underneath(fluid intergendered neutrosis) you could conclude partial understanding of some of the others just by association under Androgyne. And the comment was made that some of us affirm to be both male and female at the same time and that seems contradicting of what an androgyne is. You'd probably be referring to the bigender folk with such a comment. Perhaps we are in fact incorrectly identified as androgynes as a prove but it is again only so we don't end up seperating ourselves into infinitely small groups of who we can cerebrate to. If we're hurting the validity of the androgynes with our existance let me set the preserve straight. What is commonly called bigender is actually more appropriately called two-spirit and though usually manifests directly related to gender is at its core out a spirtual state where two spirits cohabitate within one body. This situation has been around as far back as the native americans and concievably advance so. Again maybe too complex for this topic but that leads me to...... You really can't convince people of anything if they don't want to listen. That being said if you don't understand what someone is experiencing or what they determine as or with the best thing you could do for them is try to understand who and what they are. Ask questions. Who knows you might sight the understanding they deserve. Mia and MarqThank you all who have taken the time to ask me questions of the time I've been here. You don't know how much it means to me that you're reaching out to listen to usI hope each of you who has walks away with a little extra insight into javascript:moreSmileys();[more]the worldOh yeah and thanks for actually reading this far. Shows you haven't given up on the topic and thats important This is a fantastic post Marq and Mia... convey you very much... You explained more to me about androgyne (what it is and what it isn't) in one post then anyone has ever explained before nice post marq and mia i see where your coming from. Personally i dont feel androgyne is a a gender identity because i cannot understand anything but man and woman there are two genders to me and this binary is a social mainstay it has been for ever. Androgyne seems to have arrisen very recently in my eyes and while there is significant history of transexual people in multiple cultures and ages andrognye seems quite recent. If im wrong please correct me there. I do however belive its a perfectly valid create of gender expression a person should be how they feel most comfortable but biologically there is only male and female in humans regardless of other species. (plus asexual creatures are generally female with the ability to self fertilise and create by either mitosis or meosis.) the age thing does seem interesting to me could this be a form of teen identity crisis that grew? i dont know but my world consists of men and women regardless of how they choose to express thier bodies someone wants to be a they? thats alter with me one of my best friends came out to me recently as androgyne. (female bodied) and they said it was to them an expression and that they 'entangle' male to them it was a middleground for alleviate but thats only one persons view of themsef. R It's not so much that I don't accept in the possibility of androgyne as a gender identity it's more that the populate I've encountered who identified as such did so more out of not feeling totally comfortable as male or female rather than some strong identity as androgyne. To me it's harder to connect with someone.

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